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		<title>By: Interprete &#187; If Programming Languages Were Religions and What is Up with Ruby on Rails?</title>
		<link>http://andreaslloyd.dk/2008/11/bit-by-bit/comment-page-1/#comment-103633</link>
		<dc:creator>Interprete &#187; If Programming Languages Were Religions and What is Up with Ruby on Rails?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2008 02:19:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] built by the Ruby on Rails &#8220;guys.&#8221; As a researcher of Free and Open Source Software, I, like others, actually tend to see the similarities more than the difference between these two poles (in part [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Andreas</title>
		<link>http://andreaslloyd.dk/2008/11/bit-by-bit/comment-page-1/#comment-102979</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 22:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This notion of a &quot;technology steward&quot; is intriguing, but in the case of Free Software communities such as Ubuntu, most participants are technology stewards. That is what makes it, in Kelty&#039;s terminology, a recursive public: It is the continued focus on the technology that allows their practice that is the focus of their practice.

In relation to that, I had a bit of an epiphany in relation to this discussion and my own work. Kelty&#039;s book shows just how Free Software is a practice, not a movement as such. Thus, it makes sense to study free software communities as communities of practice.

Now I realize that the above post is really an early attempt at synthesizing Kelty&#039;s five core practices with the ideas of communities of practice.

I&#039;ll have to spend some more time thinking about this, thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This notion of a &#8220;technology steward&#8221; is intriguing, but in the case of Free Software communities such as Ubuntu, most participants are technology stewards. That is what makes it, in Kelty&#8217;s terminology, a recursive public: It is the continued focus on the technology that allows their practice that is the focus of their practice.</p>
<p>In relation to that, I had a bit of an epiphany in relation to this discussion and my own work. Kelty&#8217;s book shows just how Free Software is a practice, not a movement as such. Thus, it makes sense to study free software communities as communities of practice.</p>
<p>Now I realize that the above post is really an early attempt at synthesizing Kelty&#8217;s five core practices with the ideas of communities of practice.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll have to spend some more time thinking about this, thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: John Smith</title>
		<link>http://andreaslloyd.dk/2008/11/bit-by-bit/comment-page-1/#comment-102418</link>
		<dc:creator>John Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:00:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mulling...

It seems to me that Wenger&#039;s definition of a community as &quot;a history of social learning that is expressed as a social formation&quot; fits very well with what you see in Ubuntu and Kelty&#039;s five core practices. (And it&#039;s very helpful to break those practices apart -- can&#039;t wait to finish reading your dissertation; Kelty&#039;s book is next; too bad for the other books on the stack.  :-) 

In &quot;Digital Habitats&quot; (the book we&#039;re struggling to get out the door) we try to show how (from a practice, not anthropological, perspective) these kinds of practices show up in plain old ordinary communities of practice that use technology to &quot;be together.&quot;  We came up with the term &quot;technology steward&quot; that&#039;s all about adaptability and critique: 

http://learningalliances.net/2006/12/definition-of-technology-steward/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mulling&#8230;</p>
<p>It seems to me that Wenger&#8217;s definition of a community as &#8220;a history of social learning that is expressed as a social formation&#8221; fits very well with what you see in Ubuntu and Kelty&#8217;s five core practices. (And it&#8217;s very helpful to break those practices apart &#8212; can&#8217;t wait to finish reading your dissertation; Kelty&#8217;s book is next; too bad for the other books on the stack.  <img src='http://andreaslloyd.dk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>In &#8220;Digital Habitats&#8221; (the book we&#8217;re struggling to get out the door) we try to show how (from a practice, not anthropological, perspective) these kinds of practices show up in plain old ordinary communities of practice that use technology to &#8220;be together.&#8221;  We came up with the term &#8220;technology steward&#8221; that&#8217;s all about adaptability and critique: </p>
<p><a href="http://learningalliances.net/2006/12/definition-of-technology-steward/" rel="nofollow">http://learningalliances.net/2006/12/definition-of-technology-steward/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Biella</title>
		<link>http://andreaslloyd.dk/2008/11/bit-by-bit/comment-page-1/#comment-102386</link>
		<dc:creator>Biella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 13:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great overview. I hope to add a few comment but class MUST end first!

All best,
Biella</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great overview. I hope to add a few comment but class MUST end first!</p>
<p>All best,<br />
Biella</p>
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		<title>By: Andreas</title>
		<link>http://andreaslloyd.dk/2008/11/bit-by-bit/comment-page-1/#comment-102248</link>
		<dc:creator>Andreas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 09:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Chris,

thanks for commenting! I agree that the Ubuntu community remains true to the core practices of free software, as that community consciously seeks to maintain those practices in the Ubuntu system while experimenting with connecting these practices with other structures (like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.canonical.com/ rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Canonical&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;https://launchpad.net/ rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Launchpad&lt;/a&gt;) to push Free Software in new directions. 

As for the the remix: Thinking about it, it makes sense that all academic work to some extent is modulations of previous work. Reworking more than remixing. But I&#039;m still fascinated with the potential for remixing texts to make certain ideas more lucid.

In this case, I probably won&#039;t remix the text to make a whole new essay, but rather use your ideas along with my findings in a presentation - it&#039;ll certainly help me to figure out how the details of your work fits with mine.

As for letting your book into my brain, it was already there to some extent before it was published, which you&#039;ll find if you read my thesis&#039; bibliography.

Oh, and thanks for explaining the title - I didn&#039;t get monetary reference, and &lt;a href=&quot;http://twobits.net/cover/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; helped as well. But it still doesn&#039;t work for me. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Chris,</p>
<p>thanks for commenting! I agree that the Ubuntu community remains true to the core practices of free software, as that community consciously seeks to maintain those practices in the Ubuntu system while experimenting with connecting these practices with other structures (like <a href="http://www.canonical.com/ rel="nofollow">Canonical</a> and <a href="https://launchpad.net/ rel="nofollow">Launchpad</a>) to push Free Software in new directions. </p>
<p>As for the the remix: Thinking about it, it makes sense that all academic work to some extent is modulations of previous work. Reworking more than remixing. But I&#8217;m still fascinated with the potential for remixing texts to make certain ideas more lucid.</p>
<p>In this case, I probably won&#8217;t remix the text to make a whole new essay, but rather use your ideas along with my findings in a presentation &#8211; it&#8217;ll certainly help me to figure out how the details of your work fits with mine.</p>
<p>As for letting your book into my brain, it was already there to some extent before it was published, which you&#8217;ll find if you read my thesis&#8217; bibliography.</p>
<p>Oh, and thanks for explaining the title &#8211; I didn&#8217;t get monetary reference, and <a href="http://twobits.net/cover/" rel="nofollow">this</a> helped as well. But it still doesn&#8217;t work for me. <img src='http://andreaslloyd.dk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Two Bits &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Andreas Lloyd on Two Bits</title>
		<link>http://andreaslloyd.dk/2008/11/bit-by-bit/comment-page-1/#comment-102219</link>
		<dc:creator>Two Bits &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Andreas Lloyd on Two Bits</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lloyd has an excellent review of Two Bits on his [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Chris Kelty</title>
		<link>http://andreaslloyd.dk/2008/11/bit-by-bit/comment-page-1/#comment-102207</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Kelty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Andreas!  This is a fantastic analysis, and not because it is so glowing, but because it does exactly what I hoped the book would do:  provide a way to look at other projects (like Ubuntu) in a structured way, in order to ask about similarities and differences.  I&#039;m not surprised that Ubuntu fits well into the five practices; it&#039;s one of the cases that I think has remained truest to the practices of free software and remains concerned about the existence of free software.  Other cases like Facebook, open source biology or open business are where the differences are greater.

As far as modulating, I think you&#039;ve already done it, in part.  As academics, we tend to modulate in a much more abstract way, but understanding and manipulating concepts in order to produce new texts.  Academic practice is intimately tied up with an agonistic form of reworking that is much less materially about re-mixing than software or music.  Which is not to say that you can&#039;t change the title.  By all means.  I chose it because it has the dual reference to money (25 cents in colloquial american) and information.  That works for some people, not for others. 

Thanks again for letting my book into your brain.
ck</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Andreas!  This is a fantastic analysis, and not because it is so glowing, but because it does exactly what I hoped the book would do:  provide a way to look at other projects (like Ubuntu) in a structured way, in order to ask about similarities and differences.  I&#8217;m not surprised that Ubuntu fits well into the five practices; it&#8217;s one of the cases that I think has remained truest to the practices of free software and remains concerned about the existence of free software.  Other cases like Facebook, open source biology or open business are where the differences are greater.</p>
<p>As far as modulating, I think you&#8217;ve already done it, in part.  As academics, we tend to modulate in a much more abstract way, but understanding and manipulating concepts in order to produce new texts.  Academic practice is intimately tied up with an agonistic form of reworking that is much less materially about re-mixing than software or music.  Which is not to say that you can&#8217;t change the title.  By all means.  I chose it because it has the dual reference to money (25 cents in colloquial american) and information.  That works for some people, not for others. </p>
<p>Thanks again for letting my book into your brain.<br />
ck</p>
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